Tactical 20The Tactical 20 was invented by Todd Kindler long before the .204 Ruger hit the market. The full length (FL) resizing die contains a decapping rod assembly with a neck expander (size button). Ambient temperature changes, powder lot variations, and differences in barrel friction can result in significantly increased pressures. You feel the expander touching going in on the .228? A raceway cut in the bolt body captures the bolt release on the left side of the receiver and serves to prevent binding. Ballistics Data was generated with Sierra's Infinity Software Vers. Right now Remington is the only source of parent .221 Fireball brass. Every rifle, powder, primer combination may shoot one brand of bullet or one weight range more accurately than another. Specialty Parts. All I can feel when shooting it suppressed is the action running. Among ball, or spherical, powders, Id have to give the nod to Accurate 2230 and 2520 with Ramshot X-Terminator and Hodgdon H-335 trailing, but not by much. . Most of the credit must go to the fine Cooper rifle and good bullets, but the cartridge design is certainly entitled to its share. Typical Redding quality. If you have questions or need help with ordering feel free to email us at: CustomDies@whiddengunworks.com. I see 20 Tactical dies but none for 20 Practical. There was some hope Lapua would produce 20 VarTarg brass for Dakota Arms, but that deal is off the table. Copyright 2011- Woa will do some custom work within reason. The particulars were the Hornady 32-grain V-MAX bullet and H-322 powder. Every time I have talked to John about shooting prairie dogs he brings up the 20 practical. Both have 1/10 twist. NECK DIE SET COMPETITION, REDDING 20 TACTICAL TYPE S FULL BUSHING DIE, REDDING 20 TACTICAL TYPE S NECK BUSHING DIE, REDDING 20 TACTICAL TYPE S NECK BUSHING DIE SET, REDDING 20 TAC TYPE-S ELITE BUSHING 3-DIE SET, WILSON 17/20 TACTICAL BUSHING NECK DIE *S/O, Red Dot, Holographic, Magnifiers & Laser Sights, Angle Degree Indicators & Reticle Levelers. This necks down the .223 brass to .20 caliber. Posts: 781 A search here could bring up lots of good data, no expert but I'll give you my 2 cents. The adjustable decapping rod allows positioning the bushing to resize only a portion of the neck length if desired. I have .225, .228 and .233 bushings. In those circumstances we can use your reamer print but please note the fired brass will usually yield the best results. I came to much prefer the latter as the first was somewhat unsatisfactory and the second left an unsightly wrinkle behind the shoulder. All this adds up to economy as light bullets cost less than heavy ones, and small charges stretch powder budgets satisfyingly. Custom dies are best made using three pieces of fired brass from your rifles chamber. Upon return, we bead blast, hand polish, inspect and process for shipping so please ensure you factor in the turnaround time when ordering. The 20 Practical is great option for folks who favor "fast and light" smaller, lower-mass bullets traveling at very high velocities. The decapper you listed is for a regular size die, not the type s. Sinclair has all this stuff. From left: the .223 Remington case full-length resized, a case run through the .20 Tactical seating die, a case full-length sized in the .20 Tactical die, the .223 Remington case after form-and-trim die use (note the wrinkle below the shoulder), the .20 Tactical case fireformed. I went out yesterday and worked from 26.5-27.5, 26.5 was about 3700, 27 was about 3830 and 27.5 was about 3925. The Berger 30gr and 35gr Flat Base bullets tend to fragment more than the 40gr or 50gr Berger Boat-Tails. After the .228 bushing it still measures .200 ID. At $20 per bushing, I should have measured first and bought second. Red Dot, Holographic, Magnifiers & Laser Sights, Angle Degree Indicators & Reticle Levelers, HORNADY 17c (.172) 20gr V-MAX BULLET 100/BX, HORNADY 20c (.204) 32gr V-MAX BULLET 100/BX, HORNADY 20 TACTICAL SERIES III FL 2-DIE SET, S/H #16. This is especially useful for reloaders who are using commercial brass as is. Redding had .20 Tactical dies in stock along with a form-and-trim die for making cases from .223 Remington brass. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. . If there is enough consumer demand, Lapua might bring out 20 VarTarg or (more likely) .221 Fireball brass on its own--but don't hold your breath. This time, accompanying my rifle when it arrived was a laminated target with an elongated hole in it denoting a three-shot group at 100 yards measuring .156 inch. I've been thinking about having a 20 practical made. The beauties of the .20s, their fans will tell you, are numerous. This die worked perfectly to form 20Tac brass from .223. The VarTarg is popular with varmint hunters because it provides good range (up to 300 yards) and uses relatively little powder, so your barrel doesn't heat up quite as fast. Thanks! The Hornady V-MAX bullets and the Sierra BlitzKing tend to be equally explosive and both fragment very well. Likewise, heavier bullets drift less and have a bigger knockdown power, but you won't get the same kind of range from them. Also if you have a regular 223 die you can use that without the decapper/expander for the first step and only need the final bushing to finish. I've been thinking about having a 20 practical made. Why? With the 20 VarTarg, long barrel life can be expected. 20 Tactical - maybe a slight velocity edge over 20 Practical due to steeper shoulder, longer neck, (Lapua) factory brass (supposedly) available, off-the-shelf dies available; possibly not as smooth feeding as 20 Practical.204 Ruger - available off-the-shelf ammo, available (Winchester) factory brass, probable velocity edge over 20 Practical/20 . Based on the .223 Remington parent case, the Tactical 20 is simply the .223 necked down to 20 Caliber with a 30-degree shoulder. This comes out in fireforming, but it didnt happen when using the .20 Tactical seating die approach. Submit your own rating by logging in. The case and bullet are completely captured by the die prior to the bullet being pushed straight into the case by a close-fitting seating stem. We offer dies sets for some of the most accurate wild-cat rounds that you will not find anywhere . I needed reloading dies and turned to Robin Sharpless of Redding Reloading to discuss the project. To shoot the Berger 50s, Berger recommends a 9-twist. Barrel Blanks. The decapper you listed is for a regular size die, not the type s. Sinclair has all this stuff. So with the 20 Practical you do less work, you shell out a lot less money, yet you give up nothing in performance. Since wind drift is a function of ballistic coefficient and time of flight, such cartridges as the .20 Tactical tend to shoot flatter, with less wind drift and do it quieter and at lower cost than comparable .22-caliber cartridges. After that you'll need a 1:11" or 1:10" twist. And this may be a dumb question but if I have to go the Redding route, with that die fit/function in a RCBS press? We offer Custom Sizers, Seaters, Hydraulic Form Dies and Trim Dies from .20 Caliber to .408. I also feel the expander touching going in on my .228 bushing. 20 Practical Ultimate Varminter Among single-base, extruded powders, Hodgdon H-322 and Vihtavuori N130 produced the best results for me, with IMR-4198 and Accurate 2015 not far behind. The one used here is a Cooper Firearms Model 21, a single-shot bolt action. I have about 5k of it sitting around from the 80's. Although not necessary, annealing tends to help the fire-forming process and extends the life of the brass a bit.Lapua Tactical 20 Brass Is HereLapua-brand Tactical 20 brass has arrived in the USA, and is available through Dakota Arms, Graf & Sons and other retailers. Practical it is. I have read all sorts of things. 223 brass into the size die, 20 Tactical comes out. So yeah! The author has had excellent results using IMI brass, which is strong and very durable.Forming 20 Tactical brass is generally a two-step process. Todd Kindler reports great accuracy with N120 and the Sierra 32-grainer, running close to 3800 fps. More. This makes the 20 Practical a great choice for an AR-based varmint rifle. Unless the neck is too tight or brass is too thick. These are available in Flat-Base, Short Boat-tail, and Full Boat-tail designs in weights ranging from 30 to 50 grains. However, the same rifle may like the Sierra 39 grain BlitzKing. Redding dies are excellent. I shoot a .20 tactical with 22 inch barrel and it has a rifle length gas tube and 10 twist shooting 39g sierras. Like the 6PPC, it has the optimal bore to case capacity ratio for max efficiency. The expander ball is smaller than the bullet. We've compiled complete ballistics tables for the most popular Berger, Hornady, and Sierra Bullets, with drop and wind-drift calculated from 100 to 500 yards. We understand early in a rifle build fired brass may not be available. The objectives of all this are to produce moderate amounts of high quality ammo for varmint hunting using readily available components especially brass. Senior Member : Join Date: Jan 2011. Redding Type s decapping assembly 204R. There seemed to be a pattern emerging. Although the Tactical 20 has about three grains less case capacity than the .204 Ruger, it delivers very similar performance. You may also find that some brands may shoot very well, but only if you sort the bullets by weight or base to ogive length first. The 20 Practical is an ideal 20-caliber solution for AR15 platforms. 20 VARTARGThe 20 VarTarg (VARmint/TARGet) is another 20-Caliber cartridge designed by Todd Kindler for varmint hunting. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine, http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-eqsku=749-002-388, http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-eqsku=749-002-155. Although we have heard no complaint about the Berger bullets no being explosive enough, polymer tip bullets (Hornady and Sierra) tend to be more explosive than the Berger, but maybe not quite as accurate. I like their 223 barrels. This little cartridge can launch 40-grainers at over 3900 fps, and 32-grainers even faster. This style of bullet seater works more accurately than a conventional (7/8"-14) bullet seating die. The amount of resizing provided by conventional reloading dies has always been dictated by the manufacturing tolerances (SAAMI specifications) of the brass cartridge case itself. #2 01-16-2013, 03:21 AM bowfisher. You must log in or register to reply here. yes they will fit. dies are supplied with both the standard size button and a decapping pin retainer for the advantages and versatility described under our Type S - Bushing Style Neck Sizing Dies. Most 20 VarTarg shooters are satisfied with the quality (and price), so long as the Rem brass is weight-sorted and prepped before loading. Can I use my set of 223 headspace go / no-go gauges to set or is there a special set for the practical? This die followed with a 20 Tactical Full length die formed LC 5.56 brass into nice 20 Tactical brass. Click Here to download a .pdf version of Todd Kindler's 20 VarTarg article (from Dakota Arms).No special dies are need to form 20 VarTarg brass. Less than 5 in stock Item #: RED78660 REDDING 20 TAC TYPE-S ELITE BUSHING 3-DIE SET . Robert Whitley (AR-X Enterprises, LLC.) I also wondered if my big bag of Winchester brass I had dug out off the bin and sized annealed was the culprit, or if I had sized all that Win brass with the bigger bushing I have that didn't give me enough neck tension and didn't shoot well. We can custom match your dies for Factory Rifles as well as Custom Rifles including auto loading rifles. $24.33. PMC and Federal cases were used here, of which I had enough to run the series of tests. The .20 Practical is just that, probably the best mid range, hi-volume, rodent killer cartridge ever. I have read all sorts of things. selling ammunition, reloading supplies and accessories. Its difficult to imagine a small capacity rifle case that hasnt been necked up or down to .20 caliber. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I shoot ground rats & I find myself leaving the bolt setups in the safe more often than not & the AR's going almost every time. The Tactical 20 is easy to load and exceptionally accurate. Robin sent the form-and-trim die along as well but said I probably wouldnt need it. A chamber type bullet seater positively controls both bullet and cartridge case alignment. See page 13 for additional information on crimp dies. You will appreciate the unmatched quality we build into each and every die and it will definitely show downrange. Ok, so I thought I would go ahead and get my Redding dies and bushings so I can start forming brass while I'm getting money together for the rest of my .20 Practical build. This is my first wild cat so I wanted to ask a few questions before I get started. Are they pretty close? Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator. I've been getting 1-1/2 to 2 thousandths with my .225 bushing that I use for my two 20 Practical bolt guns. Nor is there a need for neck turning. Here is a five shot with brass ran through the die again, and a 5 shot with brass out of the bag @ 27.5g of WC844 with the 32g Noslers, out of my 18" barrel. These features provide not only an enhanced degree of control but significant improvements to consistency and accuracy of the final loaded rounds. Upon return, we bead blast, hand polish, inspect and process for shipping so please ensure you factor in the turnaround time when ordering. The Type S Elite set is comprised of a Type S Bushing Full Die, A Type S Bushing Neck Die and the unparalleled Redding Competition Seating Die. $375.99. JavaScript is disabled. Which Bullet Should I Use?When selecting bullets, the general rule of thumb is "let the rifle decide what bullet it likes". I see Hornady makes dies for the 20 Tactical, but then do you need the form die? The adjustable decapping rod allows you to adjust the bushing position, sizing only part of the neck length when desire d . I could not find the Redding bushing in stock for that size, so I ordered a wilson bushing after reading it would work in the Redding die. Once the entire batch is made, we send them out to be hardened via a carburized heat treat process to ensure a lifetime of use. We understand early in a rifle build fired brass may not be available. Concentricity is enhanced by the ability of the bushing to self-center on the neck of the cartridge case. I know Bullberry makes a two ended die to go from 221 FB to 17 FB, does anyone know if they make one for 223 to 20 practical. Sufficient for my needs. Free shipping. The latter came in handy for setting exact overall cartridge length for the various bullets used. With the Hornady dies, you don't need anything else. The cartridge uses a standard .223 Remington shellholder. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine, http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-eqsku=749-002-388, http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-eqsku=749-002-155. The 20 Practical is an ideal 20-caliber solution for AR15 platforms. As you change bullet weight, you may find that you need to change the brand to maintain accuracy. Finally, the case is run into the full-length .20 Tactical sizing die that sets the shoulder back and makes the cases ready for fireforming. So, if youve a mind to, try the Redding approach, and if dissatisfied, the form-and-trim die is always available. To be fair, in my experience, some of the .22-caliber cartridges provide more explosive hits on such targets as prairie dogs, but to that we must put the question: Are there degrees of dead? yes they will fit. Please read before using our Custom Sizer Die, Lead time for Custom dies is currently averaging 10 weeks. The VarTarg may be the smallest 20-Caliber cartridge in our survey, but it comes up big in efficiency. If you are uncertain just email a photo of the cartridge and we can make a determination. How much speed you getting from your tactical? Access from your Country was disabled by the administrator. We have found the best method to make Custom dies is to use your firedbrass from the rifles chamber. We've run the ballistics for a range of start velocities, so you can compare different cartridges. Check out the Load Map below and you'll see that the diminutive VarTarg pushes the 32gr pills up into the 3750+ fps range with much less powder than is used by the .204 Ruger or 20 BR. Location: Iowa. Ive been assured that my one-in-12-inch barrel twist will stabilize all bullet weights up through 45 grains. The "20. . In our experience, nearly all factory bullets benefit from sorting. No trimming is necessary if the cases were the proper length before starting. To create 20 Practical cases, just buy a .223 Rem Redding Type "S" Bushing Die . Concentricity is enhanced by the ability of the resizing bushing to selfcenter. For heavier ones, a one-in-9-inch twist is recommended, especially at longer ranges. $1435.00. Some precision shooters like to start with Lapua brass. The lighter .20-caliber bullets can be propelled faster too, depending on the cartridge involved. Lead time for Custom dies is currently averaging 10 weeks from thethe 1st of the following month in which your order was placed and your brass or reamer print was received by us. Posted By: sherm_61 Re: 20 Practical Reloading - 01/05/22. Bullet SelectionBy far, the most popular 20-Caliber bullets are the factory-made pills from Berger, Hornady and Sierra. Uses the same interchangeable bushings (.001" increments) as those used in our bushing style neck sizing dies. With the right load, you can get Max velocities with 32- and 40-grainers that give up little or nothing to the .204 Ruger. We have Tactical dies for sale, from great brands like Forster, Hornady, Lee, Lyman, RCBS, and Redding Reloading Products. Currently, Cooper Arms of Montana and Dakota Arms offer factory rifles in 20 VarTarg. Just trying to understand what you meant. Varmints probably won't know the difference. Too much lube will result in wrinkled shoulders. And the 20 Practical matches the performance of the highly-publicized 20 Tactical with less money invested and no need to buy forming dies or fire-form cases. Our Custom dies will solve problems such as sticky extraction and the dreaded Bolt click without over working your brass. 20 BR, 20 PPC, .204 Ruger, Tactical 20, 20 VarTarg, Dean's Savage Load: "Love the cartridge.". the expander is dragging on the way out. One tip - trim after forming, not before, since the first pass in the die actually shortens the brass a little when the shoulder gets pushed back to the 30 degree angle. This allows the handloader complete control and precision when setting the appropriate neck tension without fear of over working the brass in the case neck. Whether youre a hunter or a competition shooter Whidden Gunworks can manufacture Custom dies to your exact specifications and if needed can work with your gunsmith to ensure your dies are as accurate as your new rifle. The bottom of the Cooper's stock shows fine wood-to-metal fit. No mechanical mods are required to your AR, other than a barrel change. We call this 20-223 wildcat the "20 Practical" because it uses standard .223 Rem brass (available everywhere) and because it is easy to load and shoot (hence "practical"). Once the entire batch is made, we send them out to be hardened via a carburized heat treat process to ensure a lifetime of use. There is virtually no difference performance-wise between virgin brass and fire-formed 20 VarTarg brass, so you don't need two different loads. I have 2 20 practical setups 1 at 26" 1 at 20". With the factory brass, Tac 20 shooters won't need their form dies anymore, and, in all likelihood, a separate fire-forming process will become superfluous. The 20 Practical gives the SAME performance as the 20 Tactical without fire-forming, or having to buy expensive forming dies. For example, the Hornady 40-grain V-MAX has a published BC of .275; that of the Sierra 39-grain BlitzKing is .287. You have to use the bushing die so you can neck down to 20 cal.It takes more than one step so you need to change size of bushing and your regular 223 die cant do that. Other than a custom die set or a 223 bushing die, how would you form and resize for a 20 Practical? Use a Redding Type S 223 dies, and use 2 seperate bushings to neck down to 20 cal. I haven't seen anyone that has a procedure with RCBS equipment. You can start with .223 Rem brass, and just size down the necks with a neck-bushing die. document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) The only way I can think of that the expander would rub, before the bushing has touched the neck, would be the neck wall is so thick it can't expand enough to make the hole in the neck as big as the diameter of the bullet when fired. $69.99. Case lubrication/wax should be used very sparingly just on the neck and the body. The latest, the Redding, Type S Elite die set is also a direct result of customer feedback and is available for 85 different cartridges. . - 20 Practical - 20 Tactical - 30 ARX. Warren's cartridge was aptly named. Shipping: One flat fee of $12.95 per online order. Reduced to two powders, Id go with H-322 and VV-N130. Also this will be perfect for the 17 m 4 as all you would need to do is run it in a 17 m 4 FL die, no other forming. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Use a Redding Type S 223 dies, and use 2 seperate bushings to neck down to 20 cal. At this time we are not able to make dies with radius shoulders such as cartridge designs by Weatherby. Of course it did rain the next day. The custom Lee collet die with a seater die is a real good solution - I might get both. The middle two are 20 Tactical (39gr TNT and 40gr V-Max), 223 on the right. 20 Practical Cartridge - Making Brass and Loading - YouTube A video showing how easy it is to make brass for and load the 20 Practical cartridge A video showing how easy it is to make brass. The white oak barrels are all heavy contour as well, not sure what contour youre after. Full Length Die Sets For Bottleneck Cases Full length die sets for bottleneck cases contain two dies. (The dimensions through transition are listed in Table I.). The OD is .256 I removed the expander and sized with the .233 bushing and then checked the ID, the ID now measures .200 with .014 wall thickness! What started as a small dream has become a multi-million dollar international business First the cases are sized in a full-length .223 die, then run, slightly lubricated, into the .20 Tactical seating die. Only 1 in stock Item #: RED60660 WILSON 17/20 TACTICAL BUSHING NECK DIE *S/O . 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