My revolver seems to have no date marks on it anywhere. 0000013906 00000 n The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. Taking the bbl off is the first thing I did - there are no markings on the underside anywhere. These marks have all the characteristic appearance of a rectangle, with a small blob at the top rather like a tied up sack of corn. Miscellaneous xb``e``yhXa`+(y-[6zX8-dRRh i9W@Zu"vl=d*b5,JqXx ,8Pl}C;a>aN )10Zx'@ R3 This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. Yk1wJuYdBY"dS =\ =bz_$[om^+eh,*({5)JIZDf? Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service.. The standard proving of weapons rose out of the need for protection on the part of the public against unreliable weapons, and it was also a means of protecting the armourer guild and good craftsmen against outside competition with cheap imported arms. 0000050678 00000 n ITALIAN PROOF MARKS CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1951 since 1951 since 1951 Brescia Gardone Gardone & Brescia provisional proof for all guns provisional proof for all guns definitive proof for guns with smokeless powder finish proof for firearms ready for sale 1st black powder proof since 1951 since 1951 It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. Quick View Add to Cart . It has on with a star above it and a shield with a star above it. 0000062418 00000 n Over the years I was amazed at the poor quality control done. A voluminous schedule of rules and scales of charge for the proof of various kinds of small arms is in existence, and the proof is the same at London and at Birmingham; though different proof marks are employed. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers name or logo. Feedback. HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] 0000011188 00000 n :hatsoff: That is exactly the table that I was looking for. 0000027315 00000 n A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. :idunno: I know it of recent manufacture since Pietta began making this particular model only in recent years. This site is an educational and resource site for collecting cap and ball replica revolvers. F.A.P. These 0000084840 00000 n 0000052569 00000 n The previous owner kept it in a display in his gun room. In this video I'll. and an eagles head. S. 0000001247 00000 n Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? Four of Italy's most highly respected gunmakers: F.A.I.R., Sabatti, Pedersoli, and FT Italia bring the latest in firearm design, technology and materials to the United States while continuing to follow the centuries-old gun manufacturing traditions of Italy. A great deal of painstaking research work is necessary before a list of armourers marks applied to pistols can be compiled, but I have every hope of preparing such a list at a future date when peace is restored in Europe and the great museum collections are accessible. St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. 0000005921 00000 n 0000002668 00000 n 1946 = 2. 2: A re-bored rifle. 0000009588 00000 n I cant seem to find the exact one any where. Some older foreign 0000005085 00000 n Gun Barrel Proof Marks. Starting price $549. Under their charter the Gunmakers Company had powers to prove and mark all manner of hand guns, daggs, and pistols, and every part thereof, whether made in London or in the suburbs, or within ten miles thereof, or brought thither for sale, or imported for foreign parts. 0000016749 00000 n Thanks for your help. Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. Board Of Remington New Army 1858 as copied by the Confederate Army during the Civil War. In some cases this cipher is also preceded by the figures 16, and followed by a capital B., also surmounted by a crown. Large quantity of surplus guns and exotic guns, 155MM HE 107 Full Zone 8 Charge with Electronic Fuze, BA 312 Semi-Auto Magazine Tube Tactical Shotgun, BA 912 Bullpup Mag-Fed Semi-Auto (2 Different Mold). The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. 0000003341 00000 n 0000006511 00000 n Serial Numbers. Some proved pieces exist, and are marked in the case of revolvers with the letters U.S., in the case of other arms with the letters V.P. to share our findings by this means of communication. Bookmark Recently someone posted a site tahta gave the codes of manufacture of Italian made guns. 0000009592 00000 n H\@OQEcb{+ nb~{:0|wvrqrkx?:S],\hi~,]#M=m.0Mn6sjZ]e/&oKZ!b>^SM U\bw~tWcV.Y,qd^"+"!b^!{w{=2i3{dad:=Npz:=~E~e~MYxGxGxGxGxGx=SOA>} 1992 = BB. acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". During the heyday of the reproductions, there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected. What you have there appears to be a model 1858 Remington New Army replica black powder revolver. 0000015263 00000 n 0000036825 00000 n 0000000016 00000 n 0 This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 0000143308 00000 n 0000086754 00000 n '9+ }`=swrE-OqmU>zAw$aAY@O| This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. The Italian proof houses in Gardone and Valtrompia have been around for a very long time but as far as reproduction black powder arms are concerned, the dating begins in 1954. SKU: FRS18511. 0000037713 00000 n 0000117775 00000 n 0000001752 00000 n There are the RRRs, the *PN and * Gardone proof marks and an AB date code. for identifying the acceptance and proof marks as it appears, many 0 M855 Green Tip. All that tells is that it was made in Italy in 1976. Italian Date Codes. Most specimen marks are of this nature, and it is no unusual thing to find the marks of two different smiths upon the same weapon, one man signing the lock work, the other being the barrel maker. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. In my own web search for the most recent date code chart, I came across this one: What is the date for CT code? E.M.F. And with these symbols and date codes, we can usually track down who actually made the firearm. trailer 0000028135 00000 n Dakin Gun Company Importers of Italian and Spanish Shotguns, c 1960 in San Francisco, California. 0000097375 00000 n The polished brass trigger guard and walnut grips hold true to tradition. 0000003020 00000 n I wonder what the odds of a real Walker turning up in Switzerland are? 0000002539 00000 n NRA Museums: PROOF MARKS - Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. 0000010481 00000 n VoEE&.i=Gjry&M9s PpIC9EeX manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a Uberti's extensive line of traditional guns has established a long history of reliability. Uberti cartridge rifles embody the look and feel of the Old West. Knowledge of commonly used military ammunition assists 0000037734 00000 n There is a complete lack of many records, but with the assistance of many replica collectors from around the world, and especially in France and Italy, we have been able to identify many of them. These firearms The system of proof in Great Britain was as follows: In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. Their cipher or mark was the letters G.P. We have just started to assemble this on going source of Proof The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". Armourers marks are quite distinct from proof-marks, and comprise the private marks, ciphers, stamps, or signatures of the individual armourers or gunsmiths. . Barrel length is 5 3/4" and overall length is 11". endstream endobj 36 0 obj <> endobj 37 0 obj <>/ColorSpace<>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageC]/ExtGState<>>>/Type/Page>> endobj 38 0 obj <> endobj 39 0 obj <> endobj 40 0 obj [/DeviceN[/Black]/DeviceCMYK 63 0 R 64 0 R] endobj 41 0 obj <> endobj 42 0 obj <>stream Join Date: March 19, 2008. 0000092657 00000 n Make: Pietta. INTRODUCTION Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings - Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. The "PN" under a five point star in a wheel is the actual proof mark. 0000012886 00000 n 0000078548 00000 n 3. The wholesalers from Italy listed on our website are able to fulfill large bulk orders or hunting equipment on a short notice, making it easy to import and export ammunition and guns to and from virtually any country in the world. 1989 = AU. H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI LiFZj2C&-zR` List of 294 Italian gun makers, Italy suppliers and sellers and distributors Home > Companies Gun & weapons dealers from Italy category Firearms/ Small arms 47 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 1 Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training 4 Gun Care 1 Gun Parts 2 Machinery/Manufacture 1 Operational equipment/ Survival gear 3 Airguns 5 Thanks for finding it for me. 36 Made in Italy". 0000003744 00000 n This is from a Deluxe engraved Pedersoli Le Page pistol, and all of the stampings are on the underside of the barrel. 0000102139 00000 n C-96 (Broomhandle) Marlin Remington Ruger (& Factory Letters) Winchester U.S. Military Markings Gun Marks House Brands U.S. Tullea three spiked crown or mitre above a capital E (as shown below). jh-@^z^gq}$g=@(M B{)C[ 0000046756 00000 n That mark is the Italian proof mark for black powder, thus your gun is or Italian origin. View Models. 0000011024 00000 n 0000064406 00000 n Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. 0000069587 00000 n skootchingdog 4 yr. ago It seems fitting that "XXX" happened in the 70's. In 1849 the additional ciphers for provisional proof the letters E.L. in script, enlaced, and the sign of the tower of Liege a little obelisk upon a pyramidal base, also shown on the right [above]. 0000039418 00000 n 0000001196 00000 n the examiner in determining the caliber designation of a military trailer Proof 0000004778 00000 n From time to time, new data becomes available that corrects previous information found to be incorrect based on what was known at the time. Uberti Recommends. Fjestad. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. 0000147394 00000 n The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i It is usually a combination of heraldry and letters or logos, which need to be decoded in order to determine the actual manufacturer of the reproduction. Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help News Consign Price Results. Yours may be an example. There is a crown over V, which is a final view mark for proof. 0000005702 00000 n THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. Many old guns may have been re-proved once or more, often in a different proof house from the original one. be reproduced, in part or in whole, without the written permission of '. A proof load normally runs 30% more pressure than its corresponding service load, not 30% more powder. FOOD, Crown CP (final black powder proof for the smooth bored muzzle loader barrels. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 0000001796 00000 n Following is a chart displaying the year of proof symbols used from 1954 to 2003. Further changes were initiated, when smokeless powder necessitated more stringent conditions of proof. SKU: FR185117. 0000008871 00000 n 0000007161 00000 n Of course, the date stamp is not on the barrel or cylinder, but the other marks are. will normally provide the information needed to make a caliber 0000141211 00000 n Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. 0000004954 00000 n 1947 = 3. hb````g`c`0 B@16Le7w'o{` TxMCS/xJe:JgNf_%B"\j %Ry\azM,Po}*;dA6a` q !I20d JPB`P!f)L|1>(x5 LN!A!p5_6&.g`xi,alhpg+. The PN stamp means "poudre noir" or black powder proof. ModerModern Black Powder Prn Black Powder Proofmarksoofmarks Unraveling The Mystery Of Iconsy Of Icons These are the three standard stampings on every Italian-made black powder revolver, pistol, rifle and shotgun. 0000002445 00000 n I never saw it extended to 2030! 148 0 obj <> endobj 0000001770 00000 n 0000004652 00000 n 0000013830 00000 n are cottage industry type weapons without a specific brand name. 0000026203 00000 n 0000060740 00000 n The first cipher is the crossed branches surmounted by a crown, and with a cross or star in the three other angles. 0000010518 00000 n Also has pn with shield on cylinder. 0000001540 00000 n Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. 0000000016 00000 n x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date.